My not sampling something as soon as it’s available is my only nod at self-deprivation (and a damn stupid one, at that). Good stuff. Kudos for it and the academic daring-do chronicled therein. Once again, I experience the sense of a spiritual sibling. Once again, it’s a world away :(
A world away, but meh, with a little imagination, a virtual tip of the mug, apologies for the impossibility of timeliness mixed with gratitude in finding a brother ... and thanks to that William Blake "world in a grain of sand" thingy as a good antidote to Andrew Marvell's "Had we but world enough and time". Just knowing like-minds are both observing and effecting-by-commenting may be consolation enough — for now. Thanks for the praise. I am likewise being influenced by you, in content and style.
"I have yet to think of a good term for the staged authenticity of child actors who, with full knowledge and intent, play their part in a scam."
Ah, are they *knowingly* playing their part, which by that I am asking if by 'knowingly' they are fully aware that what they are actually playing is the shill for the owners they don't see? Jordon Peterson expressed compassion for Greta as having been put by the masters of the con into the untenable position of being, my paraphrase, a 'wise-by-her-youthful-naïveté *experienced* spokesperson for unseasoned reason'. She hasn't the life experience to be any of those except naïve all the while her monkey-box grinders who are manning the music box have put her in the position of a suited monkey. She likely has (may have?) an intuitive sense of her own vastness of ignorance, and so yells all the louder to drown out that voice inside her that questions her ability to know the truth and question the music she is dancing to.
LoL! Of course, if she is one of the unholy triad/tetra-'pack' type, perhaps the yelling is less to drown our her own uncertainty than it is to be sure she will be fed by the monkey grinder, who she thinks she's manipulating with her yelling, into giving her the food of attention and notoriety. Hmmmm. Well, and maybe the food food, too of course, so long as it comes with smaller portions, on more and bigger gold leafed plates at the banquet tables of the cabal.
For some reason, likely Carlin's accurate rant about education, I thought I'd throw this into the verbiage pile, an extract from one of my posts, slightly edited.
"It is interesting to note that the relatively recent origins of 'modern' eduction as indoctrination process was funded by Rockefeller and got kicked off significantly in 1902 with Rockefeller contributing $129 million to ensure his ideology was presented as education. His ideology can be summed up in his own words: “I don’t want a nation of thinkers, I want a nation of workers.” Is this the source of the malleability to woke and economic ideology of the ‘intellectuals’ of our university system? Are they the result of Rockefeller’s dream and are unaware that they are in fact educational Stockholm syndrome monkeys, er I mean *survivors* who have become the foot soldiers continuing the practice of indoctrination and delusional thinking?
This was elaborated more fully by Rockefeller’s partner in the project of making public school mandatory indoctrination, Frederick T. Gates, who wrote: “In our dream we have limitless resources, and the people yield themselves with perfect docility to our moulding hand. The present educational conventions fade from our minds; and, unhampered by tradition, we work our own good will upon a grateful and responsive rural folk. We shall not try to make these people or any of their children into philosophers or men of learning or of science. We are not to raise up among them authors, orators, poets, or men of letters. We shall not search for embryo great artists, painters, musicians. Nor will we cherish even the humbler ambition to raise up from among them lawyers, doctors, preachers, statesmen, of whom we now have ample supply.” see https://corecougars.weebly.com/the-origins-of-education-and-mandatory-schooling.html.
Also the late educator and eduction observer and critic, Sir Kenneth Robinson made the observation that with the development of industrialisation the requirement for the ignorant worker to read expanded. And so the 'public' school system was begun by the industrialists to create compliant workers, not thinkers, with the competence to man the machines. Hence the practice of 'batch' teaching, as if the children going in could be cooked into the same image. Passim, my paraphrase, of Robinson's very funny and powerful TED talk "Do Schools Kill Creativity?" https://www.ted.com/talks/sir_ken_robinson_do_schools_kill_creativity. (I saw him live in Vancouver in 2018.)
I must apologize that we, and our mutual buddies, don't chat more often. I am swimming as fast as I can just to stop from sinking. Can't keep up with the reading, much less sharing of what's going on and what has always gone on.
I admire, though don't always agree, with Jordon Peterson's insights, one reason being he is sometimes dazzled by his own public profile into pontificating on things beyond his domain. I will take an amateur's step into this. In the case of Greta, at the cost of oversimplification, I suspect a born-to-the-bone sense of entitlement, enough to deceive without empathy or remorse. A psychopath unleashed to a sociopathic level. God help us if or when she is coronated on the political stage.
I am only vaguely familiar with the Rockerfeller sociopathic philosophy of education. But yes, I remember watching that great TED talk by Kenneth Robinson. And you got to see him in person!
Alas, always a day late and a dollar short, I missed Cornel West's talk over here in Japan, and barely missed meeting a pre-Covid Chomsky at a local anarchist pub I used to frequent. Now, I would be satisfied with a bit more coffee in my coffee.
Very funny about Chomsky. My sister and her husband have been skeptical about him for a long time. Likely in no small part because of his dismissal of the JFK and other CIA stuff. I learned a lot from him, and am happy with what I learned. And I learned, now, that he is either very human and despite clear vision looking in some directions is blinkered in others. Or is he a great plant to misdirect the clever ones by keeping them busy looking at the least hurtful criticisms of the deep state?
I am reminded of something Chomsky said in an exchange many years ago: that most people (maybe most of the not 15-30%) are uncomfortable with living a lie and so don't see. Hmmmm. LOL! Now that I am older and maybe a little wiser, the pot calls the kettle black, or what we see in others is a projection of ourselves. So.... Was NC calling himself out even as he was critiquing the 'self-made blind' journalists for not seeing the truth to avoid speaking the lie? Interesting.
As to JP. Isn't it great that we get to and have the awareness and cognisance to disagree with him! Love it, otherwise he has been godified, and how close is that to become gadified? LoL! I loved the post by ??? sorry don't remember, that shows the clip within which Peterson experiences cognitive dissonance at the realisation that despite his lifetime of studying and teaching the machinations of tyranny he did not see this one and did not save himself from injection and participation as one of the tyrants. He mutters, looking into the sky, 'I'm tired of the lockdowns.' And did he even then *see* that *that* was itself a measure of the tyranny and his blindness to it? Fascinating times to be alive.
Now I go to get my hobbled together coffee. I have a Japanese-style flannel drip system my partner gave me. I left it behind in my mini-working stay at a friend's place. I returned yesterday without it. He'll bring it with him next week when he comes to the city. So... coffee by creative design, being inspired by Robinson, maybe? LoL.
Relax about the pace of interactions. We are doing the best we can, so stress less about what we aren't doing. We'll enjoy our encounters of the 3rd kind when they happen.
Hoo wee ... I just went back to read what you were responding to. Remind me not to type past midnight. 😂
Yeah, mixed feelings about Chomsky here too. I had to do some diagramming of his deep structures in applied linguistics class at grad school. But "applied" in teaching English as a foreign language? A game of "Go Fish" was much more useful.
To his credit, he said William Blum was the best of the bunch for "those kinds" of books. Blum's "America's Deadliest Export" both shocked and infuriated me so much, I dashed off an e-mail to him, offering to start a project of recording voices from Quora buddies who live in countries victimized by covert U.S. foreign policy. He gave me his blessings, suggested "Killing Hope" as more user friendly, and sent me a signed copy. Alas he passed away before I ever got the project started, and then the plandemic ... (sigh).
I also think "Manufacturing Consent" is a must-read, with Stephen Vlasos's "Invented Traditions of Modern Japan" a great oxymoron of a book-end for Chomsky.
But his take on the plandemic just dumbfounded me. How in the hell can he trust the likes of Phizer to put something into his body ... unless he knows something we don't? I just don't get it.
Similarly, I was sorry to hear one of my favorite preplandemic journalists go silent on the scam ... Amy Goodman on "Democracy Now".
Peterson, yeah. He is definitely more of a positive force than negative. I can't remember who now, but an evolutionary biologist completely dismantled Peterson's genetic argument for hierarchical social organization. And although he can ride a bit high in his public intellectual saddle, I like his gravitas.
Well, lazy afternoon over, so I will make a cup of instant. I know it's good if it melts the spoon.
Arigato. I agree with you about *Manufacturing Consent*. An important book. I've just begun to read *The Gulag Archipelago* following some curious synchronicities around that. OMG! Solzenitsyn is describing the roll out of the plandemic! Nearly identical. Amazing. I'll be incorporating that into my writing at some point. For some reason Vlasos hasn't come across my purview. Yet! LOL!
You're right about Goodman. I'd actually totally forgotten about her and the Democracy Now people. Not a single peep from any of 'my' sources. Hmmmm.
"I can't remember who now, but an evolutionary biologist completely dismantled Peterson's genetic argument for hierarchical social organization." Interesting. One of those things with 'good' arguments in both directions. And, now I'm laughing, another fence post mark supporting Luther's castigation of 'reason and logic' as a basis on which to make life and death decisions.
Martin Luther wrote: “Reason is the Devil’s greatest whore; by nature and manner of being she is a noxious whore; she is a prostitute, the Devil’s appointed whore; whore eaten by scab and leprosy who ought to be trodden under foot and destroyed, she and her wisdom” (Martin Luther, Works, Erlangen Edition v. 16, pp. 142)
And the British 18th century philosopher Thomas de Quincey wrote:
'Here I pause for one moment to exhort the reader never to pay any attention to his understanding when it stands in opposition to any other faculty of his mind. The mere understanding, however useful and indispensable, is the meanest faculty in the human mind and the most to be distrusted: and yet the great majority of people trust to nothing else; which may do for ordinary life, but not for philosophic purposes.' De Quincey, Thomas. "On The Knocking at the Gate in Macbeth" from Confessions of an English Opium Eater, Toronto: Oxford University Press, 1996, p. 81. (Originally published in 1823.)
Peterson has the gravitas I love that enables us to create 'deep' and engaged conversations internally and outwardly.
For some reason into my mind popped the story of the ubiquitous and unconscious presence of the pro-eugenics within the western culture at the very least. You may be able to discern that within the Americanisation of Japanese culture? Here is Peterson talking with a British MP (ex?) who discovered the hidden layer of pro-eugenics with his society after becoming the father of a Downs syndrome child. https://youtu.be/ZAaY0gbis4s
Well, I'm sipping a very nice Americano in Centro with two friends, who are also tapping away on their computers. Off to my next writing task.
I am honored. It is you I should be thanking, and far more often for your consistent, selflessly high quality contribution to this costly fight we are in. Your dedication and values are a worthy role model of the highest standards we should be reaching for. In better times, I wish I could meet you, and a handful of warriors way ahead of me in the battle, for a breather and triangulation over a frosty mug of Japan's finest.
Sounds good. I work 7 days a week nowadays but I am sure I can squeeze in a day here and there for some fun times. I will be partaking in ginger ale if you do not mind.
My not sampling something as soon as it’s available is my only nod at self-deprivation (and a damn stupid one, at that). Good stuff. Kudos for it and the academic daring-do chronicled therein. Once again, I experience the sense of a spiritual sibling. Once again, it’s a world away :(
Hi Dean!
A world away, but meh, with a little imagination, a virtual tip of the mug, apologies for the impossibility of timeliness mixed with gratitude in finding a brother ... and thanks to that William Blake "world in a grain of sand" thingy as a good antidote to Andrew Marvell's "Had we but world enough and time". Just knowing like-minds are both observing and effecting-by-commenting may be consolation enough — for now. Thanks for the praise. I am likewise being influenced by you, in content and style.
Cheers to ya Dean!
steve
"I have yet to think of a good term for the staged authenticity of child actors who, with full knowledge and intent, play their part in a scam."
Ah, are they *knowingly* playing their part, which by that I am asking if by 'knowingly' they are fully aware that what they are actually playing is the shill for the owners they don't see? Jordon Peterson expressed compassion for Greta as having been put by the masters of the con into the untenable position of being, my paraphrase, a 'wise-by-her-youthful-naïveté *experienced* spokesperson for unseasoned reason'. She hasn't the life experience to be any of those except naïve all the while her monkey-box grinders who are manning the music box have put her in the position of a suited monkey. She likely has (may have?) an intuitive sense of her own vastness of ignorance, and so yells all the louder to drown out that voice inside her that questions her ability to know the truth and question the music she is dancing to.
LoL! Of course, if she is one of the unholy triad/tetra-'pack' type, perhaps the yelling is less to drown our her own uncertainty than it is to be sure she will be fed by the monkey grinder, who she thinks she's manipulating with her yelling, into giving her the food of attention and notoriety. Hmmmm. Well, and maybe the food food, too of course, so long as it comes with smaller portions, on more and bigger gold leafed plates at the banquet tables of the cabal.
For some reason, likely Carlin's accurate rant about education, I thought I'd throw this into the verbiage pile, an extract from one of my posts, slightly edited.
"It is interesting to note that the relatively recent origins of 'modern' eduction as indoctrination process was funded by Rockefeller and got kicked off significantly in 1902 with Rockefeller contributing $129 million to ensure his ideology was presented as education. His ideology can be summed up in his own words: “I don’t want a nation of thinkers, I want a nation of workers.” Is this the source of the malleability to woke and economic ideology of the ‘intellectuals’ of our university system? Are they the result of Rockefeller’s dream and are unaware that they are in fact educational Stockholm syndrome monkeys, er I mean *survivors* who have become the foot soldiers continuing the practice of indoctrination and delusional thinking?
This was elaborated more fully by Rockefeller’s partner in the project of making public school mandatory indoctrination, Frederick T. Gates, who wrote: “In our dream we have limitless resources, and the people yield themselves with perfect docility to our moulding hand. The present educational conventions fade from our minds; and, unhampered by tradition, we work our own good will upon a grateful and responsive rural folk. We shall not try to make these people or any of their children into philosophers or men of learning or of science. We are not to raise up among them authors, orators, poets, or men of letters. We shall not search for embryo great artists, painters, musicians. Nor will we cherish even the humbler ambition to raise up from among them lawyers, doctors, preachers, statesmen, of whom we now have ample supply.” see https://corecougars.weebly.com/the-origins-of-education-and-mandatory-schooling.html.
Also the late educator and eduction observer and critic, Sir Kenneth Robinson made the observation that with the development of industrialisation the requirement for the ignorant worker to read expanded. And so the 'public' school system was begun by the industrialists to create compliant workers, not thinkers, with the competence to man the machines. Hence the practice of 'batch' teaching, as if the children going in could be cooked into the same image. Passim, my paraphrase, of Robinson's very funny and powerful TED talk "Do Schools Kill Creativity?" https://www.ted.com/talks/sir_ken_robinson_do_schools_kill_creativity. (I saw him live in Vancouver in 2018.)
Great comment Guy.
I must apologize that we, and our mutual buddies, don't chat more often. I am swimming as fast as I can just to stop from sinking. Can't keep up with the reading, much less sharing of what's going on and what has always gone on.
I admire, though don't always agree, with Jordon Peterson's insights, one reason being he is sometimes dazzled by his own public profile into pontificating on things beyond his domain. I will take an amateur's step into this. In the case of Greta, at the cost of oversimplification, I suspect a born-to-the-bone sense of entitlement, enough to deceive without empathy or remorse. A psychopath unleashed to a sociopathic level. God help us if or when she is coronated on the political stage.
I am only vaguely familiar with the Rockerfeller sociopathic philosophy of education. But yes, I remember watching that great TED talk by Kenneth Robinson. And you got to see him in person!
Alas, always a day late and a dollar short, I missed Cornel West's talk over here in Japan, and barely missed meeting a pre-Covid Chomsky at a local anarchist pub I used to frequent. Now, I would be satisfied with a bit more coffee in my coffee.
Cheers Guy, and thanks for your great comment!
Very funny about Chomsky. My sister and her husband have been skeptical about him for a long time. Likely in no small part because of his dismissal of the JFK and other CIA stuff. I learned a lot from him, and am happy with what I learned. And I learned, now, that he is either very human and despite clear vision looking in some directions is blinkered in others. Or is he a great plant to misdirect the clever ones by keeping them busy looking at the least hurtful criticisms of the deep state?
I am reminded of something Chomsky said in an exchange many years ago: that most people (maybe most of the not 15-30%) are uncomfortable with living a lie and so don't see. Hmmmm. LOL! Now that I am older and maybe a little wiser, the pot calls the kettle black, or what we see in others is a projection of ourselves. So.... Was NC calling himself out even as he was critiquing the 'self-made blind' journalists for not seeing the truth to avoid speaking the lie? Interesting.
As to JP. Isn't it great that we get to and have the awareness and cognisance to disagree with him! Love it, otherwise he has been godified, and how close is that to become gadified? LoL! I loved the post by ??? sorry don't remember, that shows the clip within which Peterson experiences cognitive dissonance at the realisation that despite his lifetime of studying and teaching the machinations of tyranny he did not see this one and did not save himself from injection and participation as one of the tyrants. He mutters, looking into the sky, 'I'm tired of the lockdowns.' And did he even then *see* that *that* was itself a measure of the tyranny and his blindness to it? Fascinating times to be alive.
Now I go to get my hobbled together coffee. I have a Japanese-style flannel drip system my partner gave me. I left it behind in my mini-working stay at a friend's place. I returned yesterday without it. He'll bring it with him next week when he comes to the city. So... coffee by creative design, being inspired by Robinson, maybe? LoL.
Relax about the pace of interactions. We are doing the best we can, so stress less about what we aren't doing. We'll enjoy our encounters of the 3rd kind when they happen.
All the best!
Hoo wee ... I just went back to read what you were responding to. Remind me not to type past midnight. 😂
Yeah, mixed feelings about Chomsky here too. I had to do some diagramming of his deep structures in applied linguistics class at grad school. But "applied" in teaching English as a foreign language? A game of "Go Fish" was much more useful.
To his credit, he said William Blum was the best of the bunch for "those kinds" of books. Blum's "America's Deadliest Export" both shocked and infuriated me so much, I dashed off an e-mail to him, offering to start a project of recording voices from Quora buddies who live in countries victimized by covert U.S. foreign policy. He gave me his blessings, suggested "Killing Hope" as more user friendly, and sent me a signed copy. Alas he passed away before I ever got the project started, and then the plandemic ... (sigh).
I also think "Manufacturing Consent" is a must-read, with Stephen Vlasos's "Invented Traditions of Modern Japan" a great oxymoron of a book-end for Chomsky.
But his take on the plandemic just dumbfounded me. How in the hell can he trust the likes of Phizer to put something into his body ... unless he knows something we don't? I just don't get it.
Similarly, I was sorry to hear one of my favorite preplandemic journalists go silent on the scam ... Amy Goodman on "Democracy Now".
Peterson, yeah. He is definitely more of a positive force than negative. I can't remember who now, but an evolutionary biologist completely dismantled Peterson's genetic argument for hierarchical social organization. And although he can ride a bit high in his public intellectual saddle, I like his gravitas.
Well, lazy afternoon over, so I will make a cup of instant. I know it's good if it melts the spoon.
Cheers Guy. I love the way you think and write.
steve
Hola, Steve.
Arigato. I agree with you about *Manufacturing Consent*. An important book. I've just begun to read *The Gulag Archipelago* following some curious synchronicities around that. OMG! Solzenitsyn is describing the roll out of the plandemic! Nearly identical. Amazing. I'll be incorporating that into my writing at some point. For some reason Vlasos hasn't come across my purview. Yet! LOL!
You're right about Goodman. I'd actually totally forgotten about her and the Democracy Now people. Not a single peep from any of 'my' sources. Hmmmm.
"I can't remember who now, but an evolutionary biologist completely dismantled Peterson's genetic argument for hierarchical social organization." Interesting. One of those things with 'good' arguments in both directions. And, now I'm laughing, another fence post mark supporting Luther's castigation of 'reason and logic' as a basis on which to make life and death decisions.
Martin Luther wrote: “Reason is the Devil’s greatest whore; by nature and manner of being she is a noxious whore; she is a prostitute, the Devil’s appointed whore; whore eaten by scab and leprosy who ought to be trodden under foot and destroyed, she and her wisdom” (Martin Luther, Works, Erlangen Edition v. 16, pp. 142)
And the British 18th century philosopher Thomas de Quincey wrote:
'Here I pause for one moment to exhort the reader never to pay any attention to his understanding when it stands in opposition to any other faculty of his mind. The mere understanding, however useful and indispensable, is the meanest faculty in the human mind and the most to be distrusted: and yet the great majority of people trust to nothing else; which may do for ordinary life, but not for philosophic purposes.' De Quincey, Thomas. "On The Knocking at the Gate in Macbeth" from Confessions of an English Opium Eater, Toronto: Oxford University Press, 1996, p. 81. (Originally published in 1823.)
Peterson has the gravitas I love that enables us to create 'deep' and engaged conversations internally and outwardly.
For some reason into my mind popped the story of the ubiquitous and unconscious presence of the pro-eugenics within the western culture at the very least. You may be able to discern that within the Americanisation of Japanese culture? Here is Peterson talking with a British MP (ex?) who discovered the hidden layer of pro-eugenics with his society after becoming the father of a Downs syndrome child. https://youtu.be/ZAaY0gbis4s
Well, I'm sipping a very nice Americano in Centro with two friends, who are also tapping away on their computers. Off to my next writing task.
All the best...
Thanks for this.
Hi Transcriber B!
I am honored. It is you I should be thanking, and far more often for your consistent, selflessly high quality contribution to this costly fight we are in. Your dedication and values are a worthy role model of the highest standards we should be reaching for. In better times, I wish I could meet you, and a handful of warriors way ahead of me in the battle, for a breather and triangulation over a frosty mug of Japan's finest.
Thank you, again.
You are very kind. I wish I could shake your hand. I so appreciate your blog.
Again, the honor is mine.
Cheers, Transcriber B.
steve
Good work as usual.
Thanks. Only wish it were more usual.
Too few and far between, and I just snagged a Zuckerberg-ban from posting this to Fakebook groups. Must be doing something right. 😂
Think about that beer.
Guy Gin's up for one, and Kitsune likes his beer.
Cheers
Sounds good. I work 7 days a week nowadays but I am sure I can squeeze in a day here and there for some fun times. I will be partaking in ginger ale if you do not mind.